Posts Tagged ‘JASMINER X4

A few days ago, Jasminer has teased with an upcoming new Ethash/ETChash miner called X16 and now there is more information regarding the specifications and pricing of the new device available. Jasminer and their X4 chips are currently one the most efficient solution for mining ETH-based DAG coins and their upcoming X16 chips should be capable of delivering even better performance. The newly released information form Jasminer states that their new Jasminer X16-Q (an upgraded version of their X4-Q quiet miner) is supposed to be capable of 1845 MH/s hashrate for Ethash/ETChash with 630 Watts of power usage or 2.93 Megahash per Watt (0.34 J/MH efficiency). As comparison the X4-Q does offer 2.17 Megahash per Watt power efficiency (1040 MH/s at 480 Watts or 0.46 J/MH efficiency), so a nice improvement in power efficiency and is is not only higher hashrate with lower power usage apparently. The new X16 miners should also come with 8GB of memory available for larger DAG coins as compared to the just 5GB available with the current generation of X4 devices.

The price cited on the official Jasminer website for their upcoming JASMINER X16-Q High Throughput 3U Quiet Server is $2799 USD, though there is no stock and you cannot apparently pre-order the device… it has not been released for sale yet. The device is rated at just 40 dB as noise level thus it continues the legacy of the X4-Q for a quiet miner that can be used at home as a space heater, however the release timeframe for the new model does not make it very attractive for such use as it will apparently miss the cold winter days. According to Jingle Mining, an official Jasminer reseller, the expected delivery date for the new X16-Q devices is somewhere in between May 1st and May 31st next year, so quite a bit of time before these make it on the market apparently.

There is currently no word regarding support for Nicehash and Dual-Mining Ethash/ETChash coins with Zilliqa (ZIL) however for the new X16 products as currently one of the main drawbacks of the Jasminer X4 devices in realizing their maximum potential and profitability is the lack of support for these. It will be nice to see a solution for Nicehash and Dual-Mining with ZIL as they can improve profitability of the existing and upcoming devices significantly at the moment and make them more interesting for miners in the current not so favourable mining conditions where even being able to cover for electricity costs is a challenge. Guess we’ll have to wait a bit more and see if these will be addressed or not, and by the time the new miner is released on the market it is also possible that even without these available the profitability might make them not much of a problem like they are currently.

To get more details about the Jasminer X16-Q on the official website…

It seems that we kind of missed something important in the silent modification of the Jasminer X4 1U miners described here and that is to take into account the one other thing that generates heat inside the miner. That is the controller chip on the miner’s control board that normally does not come with a cooling heatsink on top of it. The Xilinx Zynq-7000 SoC (XA7Z020) used is not a traditional FPGA like we kind of assumed without properly checking the specs of the chip. It is in fact a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 Application Processor Unit (APU), and as you know having a processor, even a lower power ARM one can get things hot when operating and under load 24/7…

So, what apparently happened during the night, with no one present around the miner is the control board of the Jasminer X4 1U that we were using for testing just dying on us for no apparent reason. The only thing that comes to mind is the chip overheating for some reason and dying on us, although the normal operating temperature does not seem to suggest any overheating issues. Normally, when the miner is in its original package inside the 1U box with all the high-rpm server fans the inside ambient temperature is probably lower and thus no additional cooling has been provided for the controller board’s processor, but when you open it up and modify it to use silent fans things might become different. Thankfully we’ve had a spare controller board already ordered just in case something like that happened, so we replaced it immediately and the miner continued to function like before.

We’ve measure the operating temperature of the Zynq APU on the new controller board and it is nowhere near dangerous levels for such chips, at around 52 degrees Celsius (125.6 F) it should be pretty much safe even without extra cooling, right. Well, it might be now, but if what for some reason this temp rises for a while, probably that is what happened for some reason with the APU getting higher load for a longer period of time resulting in overheating (thouhg it could also be some totally unreleated reason as well, can’t be sure). Just to be on the safe side, it is a good idea to add a small memory chip cooler on top of the Zynq APU in order to keep the operating temperature lower at all times. Especially if you plan on using a silent modified miner and the the standard configuration where the issue could be less prone to appear.

Also, a good advice might be to order a spare controller board just in case, especially if you are running more than just a single Jasminer X4 1U ASIC miner. This is to avoid possible downtime in case something happens with the controller board on your miner. Do note that you can connect multiple hashing boards with Jasminer X4 ASICs to a single control board (our both had 3 connectors for hash board), though we’ve seen board with more connectors as well. We’ve tried and the control board detects and functions with a hashing board connected to all of the three available ports. So, as a temporary solution you might use a single control board to drive multiple hashboards of multiple miners in case you have more than juts one and you get a dead controller board.

We’ve been playing around with a Jasminer X4 1U Ethash and ETChash ASIC miner for a couple of days now and we have some more things to share with you if you are interested in the device. We’ve already covered some interesting findings and possible tweaks for the Jasminer X4 1U ASIC miner here, but we continued further trying to optimize the miner and see if we can squeeze a bit of extra performance from it. Our next obvious step was to disassemble the hashing board with the ASIC chips…

Removing the aluminium cooling heatsink, a single piece for the whole board, revealed the eight Jasminer X4 ASIC chips on the hashing board along with a controller chip and two memory modules. And a ton of thermal grease that needs to be cleaned and replaced before assembling the whole thing back again. Only the controller chip is not covered with thermal grease, instead it uses a thicker thermal pad for contact with the heatsink. All of the chips did have a good contact with the heatsink, so supposedly no expected issues with thermal transfer and cooling here. So, our hopes of getting a bit of thermal improvement by replacing the thermal compound with a better one would probably end in vain, but since we still have to replace the thermal interfacing material we’ll do it.

Cleaning up the whole thing properly does require some time and effort as due to the size of the crystals on the Jasminer X4 ASIC chips it is like cleaning 8 CPUs of computers. And you need to make sure you are careful not damaging anything, though the cleaned-up board and chips do like quite good. We are reusing the original thermal pad for the controller chip as we do not believe it is necessary to replace that one with a more efficient one anyway.

The main controller chip on the hashing board is a Trion T120 FPGA along with two DDR3 memory modules right next to it (no, that is not how 5GB of memory looks like!). This is the controller chip for the Jasminer X4 ASIC chips that is being used on the hashing boards, the miner does have a second FPGA controller chip with separate RAM chips on the main control board that hosts the software and web interface of the miner, there however we find a Xilinx Zynq chip.

Here is a single of the eight Jasminer X4 ASIC chips in a 45×45 mm package (678 square millimetres die size) with 1TB memory bandwidth, 5GB of memory and a hashrate per chip of 65 MH/s with each of the chips having 384 computing cores and 384 on-chip dies according to the manufacturer with a 512-bit bus width, an operating frequency of 800 to 1 GHz and a power consumption of 23 Watts.

We’ve used the Arctic Cooling MX4 thermal compound to cover the chips before reassembling the hashing board with the aluminium heatsink. It is a decently priced high-performance product that we like to use along with Noctua’s NT-H1 due to their great price/performance ratio, and there does not seem to be much point to try and use more expensive solution anyway. When applying other thermal compound make sure to put a little more on the memory chips as there the gap with the heatsink is a bit more compared to the one of the ASIC chips.

We’ve compared the hashrate and operating temperature of the Jasminer X4 1U ASIC miner before changing the thermal compound and after doing so, leaving the device to hash for more than 10 hours in order to get a good average of the operating temp and hashrate. Do note that this is our already silent modified unit with replaced fans and firmware, so your device might report a temperature range and not a single number. The before and after results are very similar, pretty much the same average hashrate and just 1 degree Celsius difference, so there is really no need to play around with the thermal grease as it will not give you much of an improvement. We also did a power usage measurement before and after at the wall, the results there were not much different as well – 266.1 W before and 265.7 W after the thermal grease replacement.

The next thing we wanted to try out here was to use a different power supply than the one the Jasminer X4 1U comes equipped with. There are three obvious reasons to replace the PSU – to see if the 300W of the stock one might be a limiting factor, to use a silent power supply and to possibly get a lower power consumption. We’ve connected a 1000W Corsair HX1000i power supply (Platinum efficiency rating) to the ASIC miner in place of the stock PSU and unfortunately the results were not really that encouraging. You get a silent power supply as the HX1000i runs passively at sub 300W of power usage, but the power consumption measured at the wall was 263.7 W or just 2 Watts less compared to the stock PSU.

The other thing we wanted to check with the more powerful power supply was if the Jasminer X4 1U would be able to run at 250 MHz operating frequency with the new thermal interface material in place and more than enough power. Unfortunately, our miner continued to dislike the 250 MHz operating frequency returning a lot of errors trying to hash and thus effectively operating at a fraction of the actual performance you get at 225 MHz where everything runs stable and without errors. So, the fact that at 250 MHz the mining device uses almost 300 Watts of power measured at the wall does not mean that the stock PSU is not able to handle that. And we do not think that the cooling of the ASIC chips is also an issue here for them not be able to run properly at 250 MHz.

Jasminer X4 does come with a very good thermal grease already applied, so no need to replace it. The stock 300W PSU is also really good in terms of efficiency and is not limiting you running the miner at higher clocks. The only thing is that the stock power supply is quite noisy and you might want to modify or replace it if you are making your miner into a silent one like we did with ours. It seems that Sunlune already did very well with the hardware side of their Jasminer X4 ASIC miners, both in terms of efficiency and performance. What they could work a bit more on however is the software side as their devices do not currently support dual-mining ETH/ETC-based coins along with ZIL, something that could easily bring the miners an extra 30-40% profit. The lack of this feature means that a competitor with dual-mining support already available can easily provide the same profitability with a cheaper device that has lower hashrate and/or is not as power efficient as the Jasminer X4.


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